Copper Plating and Etching Altoids Tins
Jake von Slatt — Sat, 01/20/2007 - 04:22
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With this project I wanted to try a number of new things:
The copper plating met with mixed success, but the other two methods resulted in some nice pieces. Note: blue vitriol and muriatic acid are archaic names for copper sulfate and hydrochloric acid. |
Magazine pages for toner transfer:
While looking for information on transferring toner using a fuser assembly from an old laser printer I ran across several websites where people suggested using glossy magazine pages for transferring printed circuit board images to a copper substrate. I thought I'd give this a try for etching Altoid tins, so I cut up a likely magazine.
Preparing the Altoids tins turned out to be harder then I predicted. The paint stripper I use comes in a spray can and is sold as "Paint & Epoxy Remover." It's strong stuff. If you get even a drop on your skin it hurts like hell and you need to flush the area with lots of water to make it stop. Most paints just wrinkle up and fall off when I hit them with this stuff yet the paint on the Altoid tins required several minutes of scrubbing with steel wool while wearing nitrile gloves (latex gloves fall to pieces in seconds.)

Next we:
- Print the image on a magazine page
- Rough up the surface of the Altoids lid with Scotchbright
- Clean the lid thoroughly with alcohol
- Iron the image onto the lid
I cut a block of wood the size of the base to support the lid while I pressed down with the iron.
This is the Lady Ada Lovelace, a contemporary of Charles Babbage and a woman oft sited as the first computer programmer, she having written a series of notes comprising an instruction set for calculating Bernoulli numbers on Babbage's Analytical Engine. You don't get more Steampunk then that!

Once the transfer is ironed onto the tin you soak it in water and then carefully peel off the paper, layer by layer, leaving just the toner behind. To get the last of the paper off just gently rub with your thumbs.

I used the cut-out in the magazine page as a template for cutting a mask from packing tape, I wanted to only copper plate part of this tin's lid.
So far all of the toner transfer methods I've tried; Laser printing on Inkjet paper, Press-n-peel blue, and magazine pages, have worked just fine. Press-n-peel is probably the easiest to peel off, but the hardest to iron on if there are large solid areas of toner.
Copper Plating Altoids Tins:

For my first attempt at copper plating I simply connected the lid to the negative side of a 1.5 volt power supply and dipped into the blue vitriol (copper sulfate) solution that I have been using for my brass etching experiments. I used a length of copper tubing for my anode.
From the picture below, this appears to work. Alas, what you see is just a coating of copper powder, nothing has actually stuck to the tin plate on the Altoids tin.

I speculated that perhaps my solution was contaminated so I did a little research (see Technical Links) and tried a solution with a different composition. I filled a container with about a gallon of water and added a table spoon of Muriatic acid (25% HCl) and a pinch of salt. Since you can't plate copper out of the solution until there is copper in the solution I inserted a dummy cathode and run the cell with the 1.5 volt power supply for about 6 hours.
After this time the solution had a faint blue tinge and I replaced the dummy cathode with the tin. Unfortunately, results were identical to the earlier attempt.
For my next attempt I connected the metallic barrel of a painters brush to the positive side of my power supply and the negative side to the Altoid tin. I dipped the brush in the blue vitriol solution and "painted" it on the tin.I actually had some success with this.
However, the most successful technique turns out to be the simplest, simple apply a solution of blue vitriol with a cotton swab using a circular motion. Q.E.D.

You can vary the qualities of the surface by using different strokes to lay down the copper and you can polish the resulting plate on a buffing wheel with a touch of rouge.

Salt water etching Altoids Tins:
The next thing I wanted to try was etching the Altoids tins. I printed and applied a Press-N-Peel blue mask to one of the tins and attached it to the positive side of a car battery. A piece of copper pipe was attached to the negative side and both electrode and work piece were immersed in a gallon of water that had approximately 2 cups of salt dissolved in it.

The salt water started to bubble furiously and a dark murky green-brown precipitate began to form.

Foom! "Ah! the bubbles are indeed hydrogen."
After about 7 minutes I took the Altoid tin lid out, rinsed it and used paint stripper to remove the toner mask.Seven minutes was probably just a bit too long as you can see by the perforations in the upper right.

I then coated it with the blue vitriol (copper sulfate) solution using the cotton swab method and polished it with a buffing wheel and a bit of rouge.

In all I made half a dozen tins using slightly different methods. Some of the early plating experiments actually turned out to be quite pretty once I sealed the powdery copper layer with a coat of lacquer.

The finished results:

This one is a straight salt water etch with a bit of black paint to bring up the details and a finish lacquer coat.

This is a salt etch with a layer of copper applied using the cotton swab method and blue vitriol solution. It was then polished with a buffing wheel and a bit of rouge.

My first plating attempt was a failure but looked so interesting I put several coats of lacquer on it to fix the powdery copper bits in place.

This Altoid tin was masked with an oval piece of packing tape and then lightly etched. Next the mask was removed and a positive toner image was ironed on. Finally the tin was plated in copper using the cotton swab method and the whole thing lacquered.

The tin below is the big success of the batch. It was a straight salt etch and had the blue vitriol solution carefully applied to certain areas with a cotton swab. The etched area was cleaned up a bit with some 400 grit paper and the piece was lacquer sealed.

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Is it possible to tell if the
Spotteh — Sun, 10/18/2009 - 23:49Is it possible to tell if the toner transfered sucessfully?
Yeah, you won't be able to
Jake von Slatt — Mon, 10/19/2009 - 09:37Yeah, you won't be able to rub it off with your fingers, even if you rub quiet hard. Read all of my comment below for some hints about things I've discovered since writing this article.
does the ink transfer over?
Spotteh — Mon, 10/19/2009 - 16:46does the ink transfer over? like, will i be able to see the pattern on the steel surface of the tin?
a few other questions i have:
Instead of using the salt water etching, will acid do? i have some concentrated Hcl, will i be able to dip it in and etch?
when im ironing on the pattern, (using the Sunday circular paper) do you have a estimate of what temperature and steam settings i should use?
i really like this idea, im trying to make a steampunk cellphone (modeled off the Pharnsworth from warehouse 13), and this really points me in the right direction :D
The ink does transfer. You
Jake von Slatt — Mon, 10/19/2009 - 17:22The ink does transfer.
You can use acid - wear eye protection!!
Dry iron on high heat.
Send me pics when you're done!!
Any tips for removing the
Spotteh — Mon, 10/19/2009 - 18:15Any tips for removing the paint? im thinking about aircraft stripper, i like how sand paper does but it takes forever to pull off the paint.
Heat from a torch (take a bit
Jake von Slatt — Tue, 10/20/2009 - 11:04Heat from a torch (take a bit of practice) and then Brillo pads is quick and easy. Epoxy stripper or "Graffiti Remover" does a cleaner job but you need to wear serious protection and use it outside - it's nasty!
I tired it The toner wouldn't
Spotteh — Tue, 10/20/2009 - 17:16I tired it
The toner wouldn't transfer over, it could of been that it wasn't properly cleaned (i scrubbed it with toothpaste then isopropyl alcholhol for 10 mins) or it could be that my iron didn't get hot enough.
What brand iron did you use and about how hot does it get?
Buffing
Ikesef — Thu, 09/24/2009 - 21:42Where would I find a buffing cloth, or could I just use an old glasses cleaning cloth? Also, when you say 'rouge' do you mean the make-up? Or is it some other substance?
Any soft cotton cloth will
Jake von Slatt — Thu, 09/24/2009 - 22:42Any soft cotton cloth will do. "Rouge" is a fine abrasive power in a wax base - a hardware will likely have it.
Great! Thanks! Love the
Ikesef — Fri, 09/25/2009 - 21:59Great! Thanks! Love the website!
using mild steel
Asphalt — Wed, 07/29/2009 - 21:56http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Hunter789/plate-1.jpg my first real attempt at this process. I have not been able to get the phot copier transfer to work so I went with a spray paint and scribe technique. It is done in a 5X7 mild steel plate (low cardbon weldable steel available at any hardware or farm supply store) and plated using root kill. My power source was a rechargeable Automobile jumper box. now that I think I have it down I will try some more complex drawings. I didnt want to waste a lot of work if the etch was a bust.
Why just brushing on the Vitrol Solution Works
Aeronya Arai — Wed, 07/15/2009 - 18:53While I don't claim to be a chemist or anything of the sort, I believe I know why the method of just brushing on the Vitrol solution works to plate the tins. I believe it has to do with a process known as 'galvanic reaction' in which a small electric current is produced when 2 dissimilar metals are placed in close proximity to one another (one of these metals being the tin itself and the other being the copper that is suspended in the Vitrol solution). Persons with a mechanical background may be familiar with the corrosion that often occurs when steel fasteners are used with aluminum parts (common problem encountered on newer vehicle waterpumps and thermostat housings), this corrosion is a result of 'galvanic reaction', often times this reaction results in oxidation which can make it difficult to disassemble items where 2 dissimilar metals have indeed come in contact with one another, such as brass fittings used on aluminum tubing, or brass fittings used on steel or iron pipe, and of course steel (or iron) fasteners used with aluminum.
If you want to know more about galvanic reaction and 'Galvanic Cells' I recommend you checkout the following articles on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_cell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_series
For those what were curious about the brush on method of plating I hope this helps to answer any questions you had regarding why it works.
And as always Mr. von Slatt I hope you continue to bring us even more steampunk related articles.
My first try at etching and plating.
Asphalt — Mon, 06/29/2009 - 16:26ok I found some root kill and mixed up the BV. My power supply didnt have enough juice so I switched to my rechargable battery jumber box and it worked quite nicely. I havent found a reliable source for tins yet but I did find some button parts in the closet from a badge a minute set so I used those. here are links to the results.
the original
[IMG]http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Hunter789/SANY0091-3.jpg[/IMG]
the results
[IMG]http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Hunter789/SANY0089-2.jpg[/IMG]
and the side by side
[IMG]http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Hunter789/SANY0092-2.jpg[/IMG]
now I just need to work on a more sophisticated resist method. for the H I covered the button in duct tape and used an exacto to cut out the letter.
Etching
bowlerhatman — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 21:05I've been experimenting with this technique a bit recently, and have found it very effective. Some of my results are displayed at http://frazer-makingstuffup.blogspot.com
Argh!
Dave Nalle — Fri, 01/09/2009 - 10:32We've had a hell of a time duplicating any of your results, though we did manage to destroy some Altoids tins and produce some cool sulphur crystals. As far as I can tell the ironing from printing on a magazine page just does not work and the transfer film is almost impossible to get hold of. I did get some pretty good results with the copper plating on a steel switch plate, but the results on the cheap metal of th altoids tins are very uneven.
Dave
Further research has taught
Jake von Slatt — Fri, 01/09/2009 - 11:56Further research has taught me that the flimsy coated paper used in the Sunday paper circulars works the best, you'll need to make a "sled" by folding over the top 3/4" of a sheet of printer paper to get the flimsy through the printer.
Set the iron on high and place the transfer onto the tin with a couple of presses. Then use a popsicle stick to rub over every inch of the tin while applying het. Do that continuously for a minute or two.
Printers are also a big variable so try a few different ones.
The tin plate on the Altoids tins seems to react with the copper sulphate to make a mess, try adding a little white vinegar or muriatic acid. I just did some tins by alternating between a copper sulphate soaked q-tip and one with a muriatic acid solution and I was able to get a very nice patina. Wear safety glasses when play with acid.
Buff VERY lightly with 000 steel wool to polish.
Altoids tins and texture
sk4p — Fri, 09/19/2008 - 08:36The annoyance with an altoids tin is the trademark is embossed in the lid rather than just painted on it. If one is still using the tin for Altoids, just making it Victorian, this technique is amazing. But do you, Sir, or any of your readers know of tins of a similar size and shape which lack the embossing but are otherwise appropriate for this treatment?
--Shawn
Not all Altoids tins be
Jake von Slatt — Fri, 09/19/2008 - 09:38Not all Altoids tins are embossed, but it can be hard to get the paint off. These guys have unpainted flat top tins: http://www.specialtybottle.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=41
Cotton Swab + Blue Vitriol?
ParallaxTZ — Tue, 07/29/2008 - 17:27Did you use any electricity when you were using the cotton swab to paint on the blue vitriol? How did the copper adhere to the tin?
No electricity, the copper
Jake von Slatt — Tue, 07/29/2008 - 17:56No electricity, the copper plates out onto iron/steel without it.
Copper plating Altoids Tins
rorschandt — Mon, 06/23/2008 - 21:46Great bits of inspiration and information on your website, thanks!
One thing to try is sodium bisulfate solution, a "pickle" used by jewelers. I've used this method, sometimes accidentally (%$%#@&*) on silver, and brass. It may work on other metals, I haven't tried it.
To get copper into the solution, just soak some old chunks of copper pipe or scraps of copper, for a few hours, or better, for a few days. The solution will take on that blue tint.
Once the solution has copper molecules in it, you place whatever you want to plate in the solution, along with a piece of iron or steel. The steel causes the other bit of metal to evenly plate itself, usually in a matter of 10 minutes or so. The solution works best if warm, not boiling.
cheers,
r
Some questions
Dr Wicked — Tue, 06/17/2008 - 18:38I have managed to acquire most of the necessary ingredients and would really like to give this project a go but I have a few questions. When you coat the tins with copper sulfate using a cotton swab, do you then use the electroplating method to make the copper actually plate the surface of the tin? Or does it merely attain that color simply by applying the solution? Also, the project I want to do is a stainless-steel hip flask, do you think there would be a problem using stainless? I couldn't find root kill but I managed to find "Root Killer" by Roebic, it's crystals, not powder, but I'm hoping it will dissolve just the same. Thanks in advance for any answers you might be able to provide. Dr Wicked
I just rubbed the solution on
Jake von Slatt — Tue, 06/17/2008 - 21:20I just rubbed the solution on - however, I think that it will not work with stainless steel, but the only way to find out for sure is to try it. The Root Kill I had came in the form of blue crystals too.
Where can get or how do I make Blue Vitriol
Asphalt — Sat, 06/27/2009 - 15:45Hi, I would love to try this out with my students. The etching is no problem but how do you make or where do you buy the blue vitriol solution? thanks.
The hardware store, it's
Jake von Slatt — Sun, 06/28/2009 - 12:17The hardware store, it's simply "Root Kill" (which is Copper Sulfate Pentahydrate) and water.
See: http://steampunkworkshop.com/electroetch.shtml
Thanks, I looked and there is
Asphalt — Sun, 06/28/2009 - 18:03Thanks, I looked and there is both liquid and solid varieties. so you just swab it on and polish? my students are going to love this. I finished my etching power supply earlier today. not steam punk, but maybe once I get goin I can make it look a bit nicer.
I saw from that link that the blue vit is what you use to electro etch brass plates. but its used to copper plate tin? would it both etch and plate tin at the same time?
Copper plating
Subbacultcha — Fri, 05/02/2008 - 13:06Nice work!
I am starting a project soon and I need some advice: Can you detail for me how to make a batch of blue vitriol? I intend on etching a cast aluminum enclosure for a guitar effects pedal, then "painting" it using a q tip and blue vitriol. I'm going to acid etch with PnP blue, then plate. The only step I'm unsure of is the creation of the blue vitriol...
Any pointers?
-Subbacultcha